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....just a reminder that the entries for the upcoming SE Regional Sieger Show will close in about 1 1/2 weeks. Most of the questions surround what requirements are needed to enter. The "old" rules are back in place. No membership or dog registration is needed at this time. The registration exception is for those eligible for the Sieger/Siegerin title as always.

Premiums can be downloaded from the USRC website or email me and I will forward you one.

We have everything finalized for the event and look forward to seeing everyone at the show. Mr. Hover is very excited to return to judge our event.

Thanks,

Bryan Vice
BWRC

will the USRC recognize a ARV title?

The USRC does not recognize ARV show or working titles. The USRC website has a section that outlines all recognized titles.

Several people have asked me about the closing date for the upcoming Regionals.....

The closing date is this Friday, September 3rd. This means that all entries must be mailed and postmarked with this date or before. This will allow for all entries to be received, processed and ensure that they are in the catalog.

Thanks!

I need to clear up a potential issue regarding our event. I have been made aware that showregistry.com has listed our event without approval and they have it noted that registration is not open. I have no idea why they listed our event and am trying to contact them. WE ARE NOT USING SHOWREGISTRY.COM.

Our closing date is tomorrow as previously stated meaning all entries must be postmarked by tomorrow.

Sorry for the confusion and I hope to rectify it with showregistry.com.

We just got back from being out of town over the holiday weekend and have had a few calls and emails regarding our closing date. Some put it off/forgot due to the holiday and others because of the ARV Nationals.

Anyway, we will extend the entries until Wednesday (9/8/10). All entries and payments must be delivered on Wednesday (no signature required) or faxed w/paypal payment. Entries/payment must be received Wednesday so the catalog can be put together and sent out Friday.

Thanks and hope this helps some....

I wanted to communicate to everyone that the upcoming SE Regional Sieger Show will now be a one day event. The show will be held in its entirety Saturday, September 18th, 2010. I hope this does not inconvenience anyone that was scheduled to show on Sunday.

We have asked Mr. Hover about hosting a conformation and handling seminar for us on Sunday morning assuming there is enough interest. We will have a signup sheet at the show along with all the information.

Thanks and sorry for the short notice.

Well since it had been previously listed as a select show and entries are apparently down, how about taking entries day of show?

Thanks to the club for hosting the event! We are very happy with our placements and our ratings we recieved! All tho i must say that the judge was very inconsistant, he went from liking big dogs, to small dogs to his friends dogs!!!! Ole well thats how we learn what judges we show to in the future!!!

Any results? Thanks.

Great show, I have always like Joseph Hover, and i believe a lot of other breeders do to since he is brough back her every year, if not more. I didnt see inconsistantcy, i saw what dogs he really likes. Just like every judge they have there own type of dog and you just need to know what dogs to bring, and the statement about he went to his friends dogs next....hahahaha ....there all like that, you havent figured out that they really know who is going to win before you get in the ring. Politics

Thanks for the SG2 RATING IN THE 18-24 MONTH CLASS

Hover did it properly because rarely dogs in germany get a V rating unless they are extroridnary and just blow you away. and no dog in that class was a V rated dog yet. So SG2 is AWESOME.

THANKS JOESPH

how many in that class?

Tommy - If someone was to tell you that it would be UNOFFICIAL so no sense in posting it. You have to wait six months for official USRC results to be posted.
Results are nice to see because people from all over the country can't get to every show but getting anything out of USRC is like pulling teeth. AIRK usually posts results within a week. ARV had results posted pretty quickly as well. Heck, results came all the way from Germany Klub Show in just a couple of days. I guess the people should just be happy to go home with a critique. Breeders like to see results, it helps get their name out there. Owners like to see results too. Some owners just don't brag but I still think they don't mind when results are posted and people can see that their dog did well.

Lets see. USRC Kentucky show didn't have many entries but the ARV show just a few miles away did pretty good.

USRC NE Regional didn't do very well and the AIRK show just a few miles away is this weekend. Guess we will have to see how many show up there. Maybe it is going to be a changing of the guard kinda thing. Maybe nobody in USRC cares but I can understand that. They are a working dog club not a dog show club.

Very well said Andy!

117 entries for the AIRK Nationals...

Wow, thats three times as many as the USRC regional show IN THE SAME AREA !

If Carla Lensi was judging USRC you would see just as high an entry, I would show under her again in a second. Many people stated they had just shown under Andreas in April at SPARK. People didnt want another critique from the same judge. Why are we putting so much weight against USRC vs AIRK? There both good venues - enjoy both and be done with it. People can only do so many shows due to jobs and scheduling as well or I would of been in Boston this weekend.

Pam,
I am sure Andreas juding is small part of the problem with NE Regional entries but it is not the big problem I think most people would agree with that.
I for one am happy to see different Organizations with a much more open policy to show our Rottweilers in.
USRC is now not the Organization it once was with its reputation as having the Highest Standard for our Breed IMO. I once looked at USRC for having better standards then ADRK but IMO USRC is now down at the bottom of the list of all Organizations out there.
& the low entry count, low membership count are some of the proof showing that it is a fact.
I for one am happy to see Clubs like Independant, ARV coming back, ARC, AKC give the Breed more chooses to show case them.

Mimi

IMVHO, it's actually a show club with the vestiges of what used to be a working dog club sticking to the fringes.

Liz

Pam,

Many times in my opinion the USRC acts like it is some huge organization, when in reality it is not. The way I see it is people are tired of what has been going on and what continues to go on. Rules and conduct seem to only be for the little guys, but be on the EB or maybe part of a club that puts on financially successful shows and things do not seem the same. To me I see a lot of people selling out, and promoting this look the other way agenda, yet those like myself that point to violations seem to be the targets. Those are people in my opinion that are not in it for the dogs or the organization, but themselves & friendships.

Apples to apples the USRC Sieger National with its ADRK only judges did not do the entries that the ARV and AIRK Nationals did and all were on the East coast with ARV being even closer. Does the USRC not have an RD that has spoke in disparaging ways against the AIRK? When I was RD, I emailed AIRK in the hopes to work together. These clubs are what they are, and do not preach about rules then cherry pick when to follow. Something that people I think find refreshing!

Thanks for your reply Liz.

Whos fault is that ? USRC had a chance to be THE Rottweiler club in this country for everything to do with Rottweilers. In the past five years they have done nothing to attract new members. They have done just the opposite. They chased away good people from both the working and showing part of the club. Well, I guess they did try to get new members by FORCING people to join the club to show their dogs. Guess who started that ? Politics plays way too big a part in USRC and the rule book should just be thrown away if the same rules don't apply to everyone. People don't like that crap. Members join a club and hope that their voice is heard but way too many people didn't have a voice at all.

I have had dogs for 30 years but the first show I ever went to with a dog to participate was the USRC South Carolina show CWRC. Sam and his wife were super nice people and the whole event was a nice experience. I went home and bought a " better dog " because I thought this may be something I'd like to do. That club made everyone feel welcome. They brought in great judges and I don't remember seeing any fist fights, name calling, politics type stuff. That club, those people pretty much convinced me and Doug Ivey to get involved. So, where are they now ?

I could go on and on but that isn't what this thread was about

Same place my club and my family are.

Liz

"I have had dogs for 30 years but the first show I ever went to with a dog to participate was the USRC South Carolina show CWRC. Sam and his wife were super nice people and the whole event was a nice experience. I went home and bought a " better dog " because I thought this may be something I'd like to do. That club made everyone feel welcome. They brought in great judges and I don't remember seeing any fist fights, name calling, politics type stuff. That club, those people pretty much convinced me and Doug Ivey to get involved. So, where are they now ? "

You must have took a really long nap on Saturday! Thanks for all the nice words!! As to our whereabouts: still right here enjoying our dogs and horses, doing a little rescure, and eating well, quite well

Sam

USRC a working club NOT

Yea im sure the entries where up for the AIRK Natls,,, ya kno why? Cuz lensi dont know anyone here and im sure judged to her best!!!! As far as The USRC show in KY.. ill never waste my time agin to go to there event... regardless of the judge,,, Thanks for my placements and my V rating my youth female cuz she is FANTASTIC ,, as her brother took YS... so its not the placements as much as the club hosting, that has driven me from future events!!!!!!!!!

Ron,

It gets a little old hearing negative comments about the USRC Nationals this year considering my club was the ones putting on this event. I know you are talking about the steps that the USRC are taking. I will say that the SMWRK tried our best to put on a great event considering all the rule changes and to say the ARV and the AIRK smoked our entries isnt quite true either. I was at the ARV Nationals and even though it was a great event, I believe the SMWRK also had a great event. I didnt attend the AIRK National so I cant compare, but I do hope they had a great show. I think instead of going on and on and on and on about the negative side of the USRC try to find some good in it. If all we have is people that complain and dont try to rise above it, the organization will fail. I dont think a club should force rules on their members but you do have to have some rules within the organization as well. I dont think favorites should be in played either, rules are rules..... I do believe just in seeing all the posts between you and Steven that you guys need to sit down and talk whatever differences you have out. I think your life will be a lot more stress free. I hope you dont take this as me being a smart ass to you as I am not that kinda person. I just dont think you realize how many people "good people" feelings you have hurt with your statements.

Jeremy, I must say that YOUR Clubs Events are always FANTASTIC, as they was AGIAN this year!!! Thanks for all the HARD WORK ya guys put in to produce such a nice event!!!!

Jeremy,

I certainly feel bad for your club and felt your club received the brunt of the feelings from others that directly related to the various rules, and conduct of those leading the club. I think you guys were screwed by the changing of the rules after you put yourselves out there. Still, entries are what they are and looking around the USRC has things to address to improve. They need to address them publicly to show they are trying, and so people can watch to see if they truly are improving...which at this time I do not see it. Acting like lemmings, selling out, and looking the other way is exactly why things are where they are and the slide will continue IMO if that attitude carries on. Standing up gets things done, not patting the very people on the back that are the problem.

Looking the other way, and pretending these serious problems don't exist or bringing them to light is not going to make it better. It will only get worse. It already is with EB members doing what they want, saying what they want, and not communicating at all. The USRC leadership does NOT care about the fact a USRC club took money from people and never gave it back...even when they said they would !! You mean that is something that should be kept quiet? What about EB members who cannot follow rules when they are in place? EB members that vote on the very ballots that they are directly involved in? Shouldn't address those? What about the fact that I was suspended on the USRC forum for asking questions of the AOR and her conduct along with the NE RD? This was a direct violation of the forum rules and even when I pointed it out to the ENTIRE EB, nothing was done...even my wifes account was not accessible! It is about protection those that have shown support the way I see it. I received a phone call the day before this happened from someone on the EB, over the fact a few were not happy with a signature line I had regarding what I see as Integrity disappearing...the actions against me and complete lack of response to me only proves to me what I had written.

There are good people, but if I piss in the best cider it still ruins it and I would think telling others would be a good thing. It is not me against Steven, it is standing up to those who do not follow rules, and cannot conduct themselves especially and most importantly those who hold positions in the organization. It is about conduct and actions within the USRC and issues related to it.