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The topic is self explanatory , Lets see who can post the first results and Pictures. Would love to find out what every one is thinking about the favorites in the various classes.

I think you will see a Unique Youth Siegerin this year.

LOL......

Only a couple results I know
IFR World Youth Siegerin Unique VH Neubrand was V2 .... VI youth male was Vinn VD Tefulsbrucke
........both are sired by DM 08 DT CH Ives VH Neubrand II

ADRK KJS 09 is Patia vom Kummelsee
ADRK KJS 09 is Eljano vom Hause Anin

Best Regards,

My money is on either Gino or Gringo for KS tomorrow.

I like Utz or Unox vom Hause Anin!!!! Both very nice dogs and their work is ....JMO

Best Regards,

Yes that is a nice litter.

My money is on Gringo

Gringo would be a miracle, as his bite is level.

Here are the results from Saturday...only dogs that placed in the numbers

ADRK KS 2009 Results, August 22, 2009

Babyklasse- Males

VV1 Aberon Olonso
VV2 Kan from Brogar Orkney
VV3 Jaccomo vom Kalacberg
VV4 El Mayor Ayrton de L Etang IIIHaeusern

Babyklasse- Females

VV1 Cherniy Kumir Number One
VV2 Ornela Terezsky Dvur
VV3 Aberon Odessa
VV4 Jill dei Re Magi

Jugendklasse- Males

V1 Vinn von der Teufelsbrucke (Ives von Hause Neubrand II X Easy v.d. Teufelsbrucke)
V2 Macho vom Luchweg (Xanthos vom Wolfert Turm X Eysha Luchweg)
V3 Hannes vom Bruchgraben (Amigo v. Schwaiger Wappen X Axa vom Haus Rumpel)
V4 Omar von Hirschenragen (Xedor von KummelseX Tess v.d. Scherau)

Jugendklasse- Females

V1 KJS Patia vom Kummelsee ( Xedor vom Kummelsee X Wichita vom Kumelsee )
V2 Maggie von der Konigskanzel (Vico vom Kresbach X Hella von der Konigskanzel)
V3 Widney vom Hause Neubrand (Hassan vom Markgraflerland X Ivett vom Hause Neubrand)
V4 Ira von Haingraben (Umbro vom Sittard X Koko vom Wilden Westen)

Zwischenklasse- Males

V1 KJS Eljano vom Hause Anin ( Jonas vom Rauberweg X Lara vom Hause Anin)
V2 Hilton Black Rose (Remko Crni Lotos X Cobra Crni Lotos)
V3 Cimbo v Neunkircher (Ammbassador vom Shambala X Angi Ostertal)
V4 Idi de Zancueta (Gil Weilerei X Xara can Auladell)

Zwischenklasse- Females

V1 Dinastiya Yugri Elza (Gitano Kummelsee X Person Non grate gucci)
V2 Unique v Hause Neubrand (Ives v H Neubrand II X Farina vom Gruntenblick)
V3 Vikki iz Tverskogo Doma ( Nico v der Scherau X Chereschyna Tverskogo Doma)
V4 Tika flash Rouse( Dack X Cora Flash Rouse)

Thank you for the result ! ! !

One of the guys on another forum I am on posted this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-gBRl6YCb0

KS 09 Male....Utz Vom Hause Anin ... Dandy son.....

KS O9 ....Female.....Sophie Vom Schwaiger Rathhause

V1 KS Sofie vom Schwaiger Rathaus (Henry von den Hassberghohen x Resi vom Schwaiger Rathaus)
V2 Ivett vom Hause Neubrand (Gero von den Hassberghohen x Oxana vom hause Neubrand)

Hello all,

thanks for putting your money on Gringo, but he was not shown



As for the above: I usually don't answer on so bullshit but in this case I just must say something.
Gringo was x- times shown under different ADRK judges and he was always V... Moreover, always 1 - 4. The last show was at the beginning of July, so the bite must have changed really, really fast This would be a miracle
Mr Czechowski is questioning here the knowledge of all the ADRK judges that have judges my dog. I would be very careful going and speaking things like that in the future.
Everyone is always kindly welcome in our house to see Gringo and his bite - we do't have any secrets because there is no reason to have any.

I believe he is also ZTP so his bite is well documented.

Any word on the classes and other top 4 rankings aswell as ausland titles.

Other than what has been posted this is all I have so far..

PATIA VOM KUMMELSEE (XENDOR VOM KUMMELSEE X WICHITA VOM KUMMELSEE) ADRK KLUBJUGENDSIEGER 2009
ELJANO VON HAUSE ANIN (JONAS VON RAUBERWEB X LARA VON HAUSE ANIN) ADRK KLUBGENDSIEGER 2009

HILTON BLACK ROSE ( dog born in italy) REMKO CRNI LOTOS X COBRA CRNI LOTOS) AUSLAND JUGEND SIEGER 2009 MALE
male open class v1 Noris von hause edelstein
champion female V1 Kendy earl antonius
V3 Josy vom Hasseberghohen

Xaver did it again! I knew it! That's the best news ever.

I should have been there - running with Sofie but unfortunately had to stay at home.

OPEN Male
V1 Noris vom Hause Edelstein (Fanto v Kummelsee X Boa vom Bonzi Star)

WORKING Males
V1 Ivo vom Schwaiger Wappen (Amigo vom Schwaiger Wappen x Tamina vom Kummelsee)
V2 Unox vom Hause Anin (Dandy vom Hause Neubrand X July vom Hause Anin)

Champion Male
V1 Klubsieger Utz vom Hause Anin (Dandy vom Hause Neubrand X July vom Hause Anin)


Open Female
V1 Dikaya Staya shakira bona Dea Plius (fil bona dea plius x Alfa sheron Great Heritage)

WORKING Female
V1 Klubsiegerin Sofie vom Schwaiger Rathaus (Henry vd Hasberghohen x Resi vom Schwaiger Rathaus)
V2 Ivett vom Hause Neubrand (Gero von den Hassberghohen x Oxana vom Hause Neubrand)

Champion Female
V1 Ausland KS Kendy Earl Antonius (Cliff vd Konigskanzel x Nera Earl Antonius)

Congratulations to the owners/breeders of Phyton Crni Lotos and Ambassador V Shambala for 1 and 2 Place as Stud dog progeny group. Also Good to see a very competitive working class males with Burning taking V4 under tough competition...

Couple pictures of Ambassador V Shambala

Just checking out the results on the ADRK website , I think the change of Documenting and giving out "positions" to the top 10 dogs in class is a very good idea. I remember at the 100 year show they had a Huge number of enteries in Youth class Females (and a very large numbers of those entered were present IIRC) so in such a situation it is a good practice to choose the top 10 from every class.

Personnaly I m not so happy with this.
Only 4 can get official placements!
Of course I understand that breeders /owners have value on this further placements and another reason , in this way people cannot place so quick anymore wrong results on their website

That is precisely my point , from an outsiders point of view (non german) i have been visiting the show since 03 and missed only 05 and 09 but i do feel that for a spectator and for the larger rott. community it was important because there was always a cloud surrounding who was where after the 4 place , although technically it really makes no difference i still think it is a better way of documenting and recording the performance of the dogs at show. ofcourse what is important is the critique and what dogs were V Rated along with you but in the overall i think it doesnt HURT anyone and helps a lot of people who cannot make it to the show and/or dont have access to forums such as this and who wish to get a better feel of what went around in the show.

I wasnt at the show but i think that finally at the end of the day only 4 were called out? if they called 10 of them out per class it would surely be a crowded ring , but mentioning on the official result was very important in my opinion as it sets everything to rest. If we go over the ADRK KS thread of 2008 on this forum (either 2008 or 2007) we will see that there was somewhat of a confusion over who went V5 or V7 and a lot of misunderstanding was created so this should put a lot of things to rest.

Kathlene what do you think About having progeny group presented along with the Studs during the show like they do with the GSD Bundeseiger ? Should production and progeny be allowed to play a factor in the upliftment of a stud dog at a particular show (after all this is a breed specialty show ) .


Just my 2 cents

If I was Emperor, the top four would have to do a protection routine or at least a modified one.

I'm all 4 it. I know one winner that would be all 4 it.

I dont mind this at all , atleast make them do a few blinds if not for all classes then atleast WORKING class males and females , after all what is the point of Having a working class anyhow if they aint gonna work (This is after all a working breed and its kind of hypocrisy to have a seperate WORKING CLASS unless there is some sort of routine that is performed (maybe just protection) ...I think all the talk of "FASHIONABLE" type and LINES will dissapear once breeders are forced to make there dogs work at a platform that is the KS , then truely will Function dictate the form that almost everyone desires.

Just returned from Germany yesterday and my impressions of the KS are as follows -

KS BOB winner Sofie is a typical female with a deep chest and is easily recognizable as the product of Meixner's selection.

This was a good year for the v Hause Anin kennel and my preference is for Eljano over both Utz and Unox.

Burning is beautiful and should have been at least ALS! He totally dominated the other entrants in the Working Dog class from start to finish.

Josy was in top form and was somewhat unlucky to be beaten by Kendy who did not want to run anymore in the final deliberations of the Champion bitch class. Spindler expected convincing movement in all the classes he judged so his last decision was surprising.

As an aside, several Russian handlers where extremely competitive and presented their dogs to perfection...

Something else that was noticeable is the average quality of the males being shown by German exhibitors compared to previous years. Too many excellent dogs have been sold before properly contributing to the ADRK genepool and this is becoming a real problem for German breeders!

Klubsieger: Utz vom Hause Anin
Klubsiegerin: Sofie vom Schwaiger Rathaus
Klubjugendsieger: Eljano vom Hause Anin
Klubjugendsiegerin: Patia vom Kummelsee
Auslandssieger: ????????????
Auslandssiegerin: Kendy Earl Antonius
Auslandsjugendsieger: Hilton Black Rose
Auslandsjugendsiegerin: Dinastiya Yugry Elza

I couldn't find the Auslandssieger on that list. Does anyone know who won?

Alonso Vom Lauberg......I believe

Just wanted to say that those Ambassador pictures are great shots. I have come back to look at them three times LOL. I sure hope Chase grows up to look a little like that

Correct Mary,
Alonso vom Lauberg, Ausland Sieger 2009.

The most disappointing Klubsieger I have ever seen.
And I go almost 20 years!

Hi Jose

I trust your judgement, as you are an experienced Rottweiler breeder. Can you elaborate on your reason why you feel this way.

Yes Volker, I know.
Just expect to have some angry reply’s now.
I have never seen in my live as match unnatural dogs at the same place.
But don't expect names from me, just all have to see it by themselves.
Think this will give also a reply on an other topic of yours.
Al must I say that I don’t think that all that dogs are dyed for the same reason.

Jose,

I realize that English is not your first language. Above, you wrote "dyed" as in "to color artificially, to dye." Did you mean "died" as in "no longer living, dead" ? Or are you discussing people artificially coloring their dogs in whole or in part?

think in this topic your question is unnecessary, it's clear what was right, died will be the right word.
Sorry, but I believe I speak the most spoken language of the whole world, and that’s “Bad English!”

Gretchen i may be jumping the gun here a bit but I think I understand what Jose is getting at, I have heard now from several people about dogs being injected with Anabolic steroids at the show, and on a regular basis.... It's not bad enough we have to deal with SAS but now dogs are having their livers give out because of Steroids. Apparently Steroid use is the in thing ???
Jose if I misunderstood you I apologize. But I think I got it right?

I’m not happy with it, but your right!

I knew it, my resources are very very good and trustworthy.
It's just a damn shame that this is what Dog Shows have become, NO regard for the life of the dog just the win. Makes me sick to my stomach.

I was just thinking.. now would be the time to post something I have been thinking about for a while. If all of us (as in North Americans) should start demanding certain criteria on purchasing dogs from Overseas, things would have to change drastically. ie
If your looking to buy an adult breeding dog, make the seller get a heart check, sure they can not certify a heart in every country, but you can bet there's one close enough to do it if they want the sale. I realize maybe the can't do ECCO's but any qualified vet can hear a heart murmur or abnormality. The same thing applies to buying pups, you can at least hear if it has a murmur.Again it would apply to have any frozen semen shipped from a dog with not heart test... Do it or we don't use it...simple
Blood work can be drawn at any time to determine Steroid use, they do it in athletes all the time.
I am not implying that Europe in any way is the country that's needs these standards, we all need them. JMHO

I agree with you Brenda. I think if the dog places in the top 4 at a show they should be tested for anabolic steriod use. When
my horse won the Palomino World Show in 2006 she was tested right after her win because so many horse trainers will use steriod's to
give them a bodybuilder look. If a horse tests positive they will announce it and take the win away. My horse was naturally big and my trainer never uses steriods but its soooo common in the horse world to give them a leg up in the show. Seems that is becoming the case in dogs as well. Its a shame the lengths people will go to just to win a show.......

Yes I understand this ,I once upon a time had Quarter Horse's they need those big ass rears, many many a breeder used them.

Jose,

My question was not intended to be rude, it was an honest question. This is a thread about show results, and in the US, there has been much talk of dying dog's coats (i.e. to make them darker b/c they are red tinged, or to hide white spots). I'm sorry if you took offense. I am always impressed when others learn English, as it is a particularly difficult (and frankly "ugly") language.

I have never been that "in" to high line dogs (as the GSD people would say), my preference is for the working lines. As such, I do not follow big breed shows too closely, and had no idea that current practice included the use of steriods.

Stupid is as stupid does. The ADRK said MANY decades ago "The breeding of Rottweilers should not be the chasing of Siegers." They had it correct, too bad so many have forgotten.

As to "any vet" can hear a murmur, I highly disagree. Many 'regular vets' miss many cardiac sounds (murmurs, rubs, gallops, S1-S2, etc). I would not trust anything less than a board certified cardiologist!

ok, some things that I had on my liver(and still) after attending ADRK KS are already pointed here!
AND " if politics comes in the picture, it HURTS our lovabble breed too!

This is actually what drew me away from GSD's being from a family thats bred them for 2 generations..Too many big dogs marred with controversy of steroids , painting , Handler-judge nexus and soft temperament. I hate to see the KS become an OPEN STOCK EXCHANGE where PORTFOLIOS of dogs and kennels go up and then they sell!!

I remember a slogan of the 80's in sports: Olympia, Olympia Gold for Anabolica.
I guess we'll be having doping tests pretty soon at our Siegershows, just like they have them for the horses or the Tour de France.
Sad very Sad.

We could have a specialy DQ-SA , disqualified on Substance abuse

But think this will be the only solution.
I heard in some northern countries (Norway, Sweden,..) they already have controls on working contests.
Because to match people don’t see the difference between a dog that’s “prepared” with anabolic steroids, and a dog that’s have natural big and heavy genes.
Even a lot of judges don’t know.
But unfortunately, for the moment a lot of dogs I have seen on Klubsieger that I’m sure they are prepared are maybe the most popular in breed.
I know that I’m not sure for all the 100% of dogs, but there a lot, even must they give me a mating for free, I would not use that male.
But still to match breeder are just thinking on making money in short time (pups from popular males are easy to sell), and not on the future of our breed.
I’m sure that a lot of breeder will be very surprised when they will see the puppies out of that dogs, and be very match disappointed and not understand why the puppies are not as there dad.
But I will repeat, not all big and heavy dogs are prepared!!

I think the case in point is Ambassador shambala , this is a 7+ year dog , was presented in veterans last year and this year , he is perfect dog for me with age mouth is still dark , he has plenty of temperment and does not look old or saggy in any way. Its hard to imagine a dog such as him lasting so long (and as a stud dog being widely used) from constant steroid abuse...the profile in that case in my opinion would be bulky ripped dogs that fade to half of there size post 5-6 years of age when the showing career is over and we in india have seen a lot of imports come ripped and look like they have been bodybuilding since they were whelped , then they turn into just simply fat (even when the are exercised and trained regularly) before turning into one quarter of there previous selves and everyone blames the heat here when we have our own breeding dogs look much bigger in size and substance that we have reared in this heat since they were puppies.

Hi, rottie friends,

I want to share with you this article that I wrote after this year ADRK KS.
It will be published soon in some rottweiler magazines.
WAKE UP CALLS!


www.ragnar.be/articleadrkks2009.pdf

Very good article....hopefully it opens some eyes and perhaps the ADRK will step up and next year actively punish people seen injecting their dogs on the showgrounds

Thank you for this article !
I hope lot of people will be able to read it !

Does anyone have anymore pics of the show or dogs? Be great to see.

Kathleen, that was an outstanding article. And hopefully people will heed your concerns.

Sad as it may, these things need to be exposed. It breaks my heart to hear of these things, and I sure would like to know how we can take steps to remedy this problem, it most likely is only a few, but like cancer, these behaviors can spread...

Funny you mentioned about the date of the KS,. as I remember about 20 or so years ago, we changed the date of the Medallion Rottweiler Show from Mid June to October, we were having problems with heat as well, and back then we had Schutzhund and had just started the agility. That particular year, the temps reached 100 F,

Kathleen, bravo, Bravo, BRAVO!!!!

Heat is a killer, and I have always catered to my dogs in that regard!

And the people injecting their dogs at shows, my goodness. How can this be allowed?

A big congratulation Kathleen!!!
Great article!!!
Great respect you will set on paper what a lot of Rotti lovers thinking, but don’t have the guts to tell.

We had the good fortune to visit Ambassador at home after the KS and he's in excellent condition! He will be ten years old next April and when you put your arms around him, you can still feel his muscles ripple. Check out his South African visitors pictured with Jaqueline and Pit. http://www.rottweiler-kuelzer.de/

Here is a pretty simple question but I don't want to get too far off topic. How does a dog get a BH or a Sch title if it gets stressed out having a vet or a " someone " approach it ?


Onto the steroid issue. I swear to God ... I had a judge once tell me that they give dogs steroids to " help them along a little AT FIRST ". So how would a judge like that look down on steroid use ? It will be totally useless to PM me and ask who it was. What he does is his business and I'll probably never show under him again but what people tell me on issues like that stays between me and them. I was asking questions and he answered on a number of things. He didn't have to talk with me at all. I just wanted to know what sort of issues people run ito when they take their pet into the ring against big name dogs. He put it out there plain a simple.

There are a lot of supplements being sold for use on dogs that most likely wouldn't be allowed in any type of human sport without being banned and you need no needle. Pittbull people try to sell me stuff all the time. Makes you wonder how a 80 lb Pittbull can pull 5000+ pounds in weight pulling competitions.

Hi, All, here my replay to Jane,

Jane wrote " TTRM declined to publish the report.I think the article is excellent"
Reply: So I decided that I will publish this info elsewhere as there are plenty of other media outlets to utilize.
It will come normally in Argentia Rottweiler Magazine, Italian Rottweiler Magazine, BRK magazine, and maybe some others.If they can garantee its correct translated!
It is or will come soon on some rottweilerforums, that people asked mine permission to place.
Its published on facebook.
About Morro , Jane has questions with placing this text and pictures...
Reply: as you can read I wrote overshadowed when hearing.... My believe is that as writter of an article ,I can take this freedom to write this down AND lot of rottie friends overthere had bad feelings about this passing away...over the WE many times people talked about it...
Correct Morro was one of my phavourites but if I had heard it from another one, believe me, I would have start my article in the same way!!
No, correct, I was "to perplex" when I saw this happening with injections... I had to ask them quiet frankly what the hell they were doing!
And NO around the rings there is NO single reason to give injections to your dogs, others then by a vet and otherwise your rotts doesn t has to be in the show!! These FACTS (not personal opinions, not speculation, not hearsay) has to wrote down first BEFORE " trying " to come with solutions, be it in a preventive way, be it in a way with coming with rules etc.And I promise FOR THE GOOD / TO HELP THE BREED that I(and others/instantions etc) go for this.Solutions can only worked out after pointing out and going in to these written facts JMO.
Heatstroke YES some people need to be told this! YES,please Jane ask a vet to write down for TTRM readers how to do correctly when
problem from overheat is there!!! We CAN NOT tolerate any longer that dogs have to pass away because of STUPIDITY of some owners!


Have a nice day ,

Hi, friends, these words below are perfect to explain my feelings in this moment!

Winning is important to me, but what brings me real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing " AND " I feel like a tiny bird with a big song!"

I know this was directed at Jane but since I have the same issue, I'll explain. Its a Rottweiler, Andy. They are suppose to be reserved with strangers. If you actually read the behavior in your dogs, most dogs and particularly Rottweilers aren't overly comfortable with strangers entering their space (i.e. leaning, restraining them, etc). With the exception of Dasher's BST which pushed the comfort bounds of the dog to an inane level, a BH/SchH title doesn't require invading the dogs space. If there was a "hugging test" in Schutzhund, I would not have schutzhund titles on my dogs! lol, ... their Rottweilers, not golden retrievers. The worst that happens in a normal BH is a group closing in on a dog (most judges instruct no leaning or stepping on the dog, no touching or eye contact). To me, a good Rottweiler should be discriminating and it doesn't take a brilliant dog to become uncomfortable with the guy who always comes up jabbing needles in them!

Susan Peyton told me it is normal practice to see AKC dogs injected with a substance. Vitamins. Or, say a dog is on antibiotics. --As Judge Judy would say...."thats hear-say Madam"

First of all.....Some steroids do take effect immediately..ventipulmen, dex, clem...those would be ones that take effect right away and can be used
as bronchodilator's. I have had horses since I was 7 and been showing horses since I was 14...I know how this works in horses and dogs are not to far off. They would use Ventipulmen prior to a show to make the horse "hotter". "Hot" means fired up for show. I have seen with my own eyes
a horse DROP DEAD in the middle of the show ring due to a massive heart attack. Later the horse was tested and tested positive for anabolic steriods....Winstrol. I am vehemently against the "win at all costs" practice. I think the article written by Kathleen is a good start to stop this criminal behavior against animals. Kathleen stated she saw this with her own eyes....and I believe this practice of steroid use in rottweilers
has been going on for a lonnng time...Finally someone has the gumption to state the truth. Bravo Kathleen....thank you for standing up for
the rottweilers.

Jane you say that it will cost about 100.00 per animal to do the testing for steroids...You can do a simple urine test for about 1/4 of the
cost...a small price to pay to keep this ethical.

I've shown dogs in AKC since 1997 and the worst I saw going on was a Weimaraner handler use magic marker to color in the dog's hunting scars and an Irish Setter who was literally force fed ever piece of food it ever ate! I've never seen or known anyone who uses steroids in their dogs in the AKC ring. And trust me, the AKC community talks .... if it went on, it would be common knowledge.

Ditto Dana, except 195..!!!!! You would never ever set foot in an AKC ring with that on your back.

You're welcome to start a thread on this forum and publish your article word for word if you wish, instead of just a link.

I think it is more like a permanent stamp. The paw prints they leave are deep.

Capise, YES Jane....
I know excactly what you feel and want to say....

Kathleen,
Your style is not only informative, but refreshing! The breed could stand to have a lot more people like the two of you on their side. BUT...I'm crushed, that neither you or Dirk danced on our table tops!!

Hi,Sam,
Thanks for your nice words in name of the "rottweiler"
Sam, soooo sorry.... lets keep that for next time, ok? wink wink

Warm greetings from Belgium,

Just love this pic , V 4 CH Class and V5 Ch Class Males

It took a year but GRINGO KS 2010

If you go back to page one of this thread I called Gringo for KS last year. I think he got ripped off two years when he only placed 4th in the working group.