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 Post subject: First ScH Rottweiler
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:43 am 
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Does anyone have the details on the first Rottweiler to attain a ScH title?????

This would be in Europe first and in the USA as well...

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:43 am 
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In the US, the first Rottweiler (I think) was CH Esmeralda's Punch SchH3 UD, owned and trained by Jacko Rousseau. I believe she also had the second SchH3 Rottweiler in the USA.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:03 am 
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Thanks Lucy, I'm also interested in the year these took place...

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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It would have been around 1980, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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Now for those in Germany, when was the first documented ScH title on a Rottweiler???????

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:53 pm 
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Marylou,

According to Muriel Freeman in her book "The Complete Rottweiler" she states that in June 1975 under German Judge Heinz Heise, Ch. Rodsden's Quelle v.d. Harque was the first to earn a SchH I in the US and the very next day earned her SchH II, also a first. She was owned, trained and handled by Charles Goodman of New York. The trial was held by NASA, North American Schutzhund Association.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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John, thanks so now we see the first Rottweiler in America was around 1975 Now, I need to know, what year in Germany did the first Rottweiler attain a SchH Title...

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:56 pm 
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Thanks, John. I was pretty sure that Jacko had the first SchH3, but not necessarily the first SchH titled Rott. I'd forgotten about NASA, too!

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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The German Rottweiler Klub (DRK) was formed in 1907. The first schutzhund titled rottweiler, in Germany, would go back to at least the 1920's. To be honest, it is before my time.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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Chuck, even I don't go that far back, but I would figure the Germans of all people would have a record of the first attained ScH title in GERMANY...

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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Marylou,

I was doing some more reading back thru "The Complete Rottweiler" and there is mention of a Siegerin Elli von der Hauptwache being SchH 3 in the 1930's and one of her pups Barbel vom Rommerberg also earned a SchH 1 in Germany before being sent to the US.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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I'm looking in several old ADRK books but not coming up with anything too conclusive to say "this was the FIRST". I think the problem was probably the wars, dogs not actually "competing" in trials per se and the rules of Schutzhund being so primitive. Plus with the split in the Rottweiler breed clubs and division that occured in Germany soon after, I would say it would be hard to pinpoint a "first" dog.

Here are my guesses though:

Fels von Stuttgart - SchH3 - 1923

Maybe others titled before but he is consistently the first with a title to be found in a pedigree.


Cero v Berthold Stadt photographed doing bitework in "The Rottweiler in Word and Picture" published by ADRK in 1926, translated in 1970. Reg: # 8671. SchH PH is listed after the dogs name.

Below that is Rufss vd Krone-Kork (Reg # 4016) who is also shown doing what looks like some kind of search and rescue exercise and is SchH PH. I am thinking PH means police hund.

I haven't researched all my books yet, just "Fifty Years Rotweiler Club" and "The Rottweiler in Word and Picture". Perhaps the other books have more information.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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I think this could be a challenge for Guy.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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well, my breedbooks only go till 1934, there are plenty SchH titled dogs in that book
i'm sure Kiene has older breedbooks, so she's the person to ask this
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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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I don't know if he is the earliest, but he most certainly is one of the earliest!


Rhino von Kork schH lll DRZ #188 He is recorded winning a first place trophy in 1913 at a show in Stuttgart. So, obviously he was born before 1913.

His father, Russ vom Bruckenbuckel DRZ #1 was the first dog entered by the DRZ in their stud books.

Rhino is also a grandson of Leo von Cannstatt IRZ # 29

Both the IRZ and DRZ Rottweiler clubs formed in 1907 and eventually the 2 clubs combined to become the ADRK in 1921.

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 Post subject: Re: First ScH Rottweiler
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They were accepted as a working breed in 1910 I believe, so it would have been shortly thereafter.

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